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Thanx!! I have come across many positive responses to the Maule, somehow never got to try it. I'll probably do it now. and maybe another one from that list.. There seems to be a concensus about the 206

hmm...actually they are... I was never aware of the enroute part of the DAFIF site, just the terminal procedures - and since those are rather limited I rarely visit that site certainly news to me...

Hi, I'm looking for a good model for a small GA aircraft. Eye candy and fancy graphics are not a top priority. There's not too much in terms of system simulation - so I believe most models do a good job in that department as well. What I'm interested in, is actually a model with good flight dynamics (as much as its possible in FS). so far I have been using the 172 with the FDE from RealAir. Is there anything better out there??

וכמו שאמרתי - PRC! sorry for the ignorance....but what on earth is PRC???? The only one I know is the Proteomics Research Center - surely you didn't have this in mind...

Hi, You might find these useful: ftp://fly2:fly2@fly2.balakovo.org.ru/Ch ... 202005.pdf ftp://fly2:fly2@fly2.balakovo.org.ru/Ch ... 202005.pdf ftp://fly2:fly2@fly2.balakovo.org.ru/Ch ... 202005.pdf

And in the example above, the track is 191, the magnetic heading - 193 and the wind blows from the right at 11 knots

Here: Hope that solves the issue once and for all. This will also demonstrate the difference between track and heading...

You're a bit premature mate... it's only pending release

This is no surprise for those who are familiar with Dave Maltby and his work. For those who need another proof that freeware can be synonimous with quality I suggest to take a peek at the upcoming new-years presie http://www.dmflightsim.co.uk/bac_1-11_vc.htm //Michael

And I thought the Pharmaceutical industry is a goldmine...

Agreed! the less an aircraft will require piloting skills the better are the chances. The sim is great for procedures, yet fails to depict true aerodynamic behaviour. Ideally for a simmer to be able to land an aircraft, he /she should abstain from touching the yoke....

there's a line there that says: wind:xxx/yy where yy is the speed and xxx is the direction

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and this statement is based on...? From what I know, minor system malfunctions are not uncommon on this type of aircraft it all comes down to how exactly you define an aircraft as "reliable"

Oren I didn't agree with the linkage you have made between AI and "thought".I'm not quite sure also, as to how much do we really know or understand about the way the brain works. We can at best see the projection - the psychology. The hardware part is far more obscure. Psychiatry is chiefly an empiric science. computers do not "compose" music any more than that parrot "says" somehthing. Maybe its just a question of semantics Going back to the original question, I think that the answer to our debate lies not so much in what computers can or can't do, but rather in the way we grasp the pilot and his skills. I think we can all agree that a computer ican do a good job when it comes to technical tasks. to date, it's rather a poor "engeneer" The question is, then, what is a pilot? is he a technician (as both you and I claim) or an engeneer ((Ophers position)?

הטיסה היא אכן מצב דינאמי ודיאגנוזה והפעולה חייבות להיות מיידיות. יחד עם זאת, המצבים החריגים בטיסה הם מדידים באופן מוחלט בד"כ, והגורמים המשפיעים ידועים ומובנים לנו במידה רבה הרבה יותר מאשר גוף האדם ונפשו. דיאגנוזה של מצב חירום באוויר מבחינה זו פשוטה הרבה יותר מדיאגנוזה של מחלה. נראה לי מסובך יותר להתמודד עם סוגיות כגון שביתת עובדים או קנגורו על המסלול מאשר בתקלות במטוס עצמו מבחינת התוכנה. אם כי אני בהחלט מסכים עם ברק (וגם עם עופר) שתכנה שתטיס מחשב צריכה להיות חכמה יותר מאשר סתם צ'קליסט, אין כל מניעה לתכנת צ'קליסטים לכל המצבים החריגים שאנחנו מכירים. וזמן הדיאגנוזה וקבלת ההחלטה הנכונה הם פונקציה של יעילות האלגוריתם, מערכות החישה, כח העיבוד והזכרון. כל הדברים האלה ניתנים לפתרון וזה רק עניין של זמן וכסף. תוכנה כזו תהיה בהכרח יעילה יותר מטייס אנושי. המבחן הסופי לבטיחות מערכת כזאת הוא כמות התרסקויות חלקי כמות טיסות לאורך זמן. אני משוכנע שמטוס אוטומטי מסוגל להציג תוצאות טובות יותר ממטוסים נהוגים בידי אדם. לגבי סוגיית הארכיטקט - אני לא בטוח שאתה צודק כאן, עופר. כבר מעל חצי מאה אנשי הבינה המלאכותית יוצרים מחשבים המלחינים מוסיקה, פעמים רבות באופן שאדם לא יכול לקבוע כי מחשב כתב את היצירה. תחום חיקוי החשיבה האנושית הוא אחד התחומים המעניינים ביותר עבור אנשי הבינה המלאכותית ולו בגלל ההבנות שאנו רוכשים על דרך הפעולה של המוח שלנו. אם מחשב מסוגל להלחין סימפוניות שבני אדם לא יודעים לומר אם אדם או מחשב כתב, אני לא רואה למה מחשב לא יוכל לתכנן דירה. רק צריך לומ לו מה אנחנו מעדיפים. Oren, I disagree with your last statement. AI at best can mimic some of the projections of thought - rather than simulate the latter. Not unlike a parrot repeating a phrase, yet having no insight as to its meaning beyond the voice pattern. We have a fair understanding of the various component of the brain , but no real knowledge how those work together to produce that illusive process we term "thought" I would agree, that the diagnosis of the aircrafts "pathology" is a more simple process. Moreover , it heavily relies on electronic/mechanical systems. By the same token, it is the "treatment" part that is more difficult to automate. mainly because the question is not "how do I go about fixing it" but rather deciding what are the available options to get by without a component or a system. difficlut? - yes Impossible? - probably not something for the very near future, though I have no doubt it will happen at one point or another

Interestingly, the tendency today is to take away as many of these decisions as possible from the doctor. there are more and more "treatment protocols" being introduced into the clinical setting, those protocols are actualy algorithms! In the case of of vision correction procedures, the decision to undergo the operation is that of the patient. The physicians job in this case is limited to screening out unsuitable candidates. The "how" and "what" are actualy built into the machine - the human factor in this case is limited to setting up some parameters which vary with each patient, this is where most of the mistakes are being made. The post -op treatment usualy deals with the various "side effects" of the procedure (such as inflammation) and is less relevant to the procedure itself On the other hand, all attempts to develop automatic DIAGNOSIS algorithms (and computers) have failed. Diagnosis , in theory, is a process of matching up symptoms and signs with a clinical or pathological condition(s). This sounds like a perfect task for a computer an automatic system. For some reason it does not seem to work This is not to say that this won't happen at some point in the future, but to date we are nowhere near this "technology"

כן ..... אבל מזה ? אייפה אני יכול לימצואאת זה ? הסבר בבקשה.. :wink: תודה http://www.flightsim.no/file/FS2004/Scenery/Europa/

No time...wrong time zone....

Here's a small request. I'm interested to know how does the TCAS work online - if it does at all. None of us flies online.... :oops: so we fully depend on user feedback Thanx

For those who are interested in an aircraft of this class/era, I suggest you take a look at Stellan Hilmerbys DC9. The external model is nothing to write hme about, but the system modelling is top notch!! better than its payware counterpart hands down! It has no FMC but it does have ACS-GPS for navigation, or you can install the PT KLN. it should work. I have some issues with the latest version of the flight dynamics, they are overly sensitive IMO with ground steering, but Stellan used to be the Captain of this ship , and he insists everything's fine... so perhaps its just my own setup at any rate, a highly recommended freeware package

Why do you think so, Opher? The bottom line is wether or not the reliability of the unmanned machines will be greater then that of the conventional aircraft. The "robot-based" surgery example is excellent. While you don't have an entirely machine based surgical procedure yet, it is certainly going that way. Even today there is a heavy reliance on technology in that respect, especialy in micro- and neuro- surgery where the machine guides the scalpel (or laser mostly) I'm sure that its not too long before we may witness a proedure being performed by a machine from A to Z. So, if that applies to medicine, why not aviation? *edit* Another good example here the "difficult" part of the procedure is done by the computer. the actual reshaping of the stroma is completely computer controlled . the doctors jub is limited to exposing it by removing the cornea

Hi, The preliminary version of Project Tupolevs Ilyushin IL-62M had been released It is a test version with an already very high degree of functionality. It is intended for test and feedback by and from users in general and Il-62 experts in particular. You'll find a new visual model, a 2D panel with Captain, Copilot and Navigator panel and an initial soundset. The plane is equipped with three navigation systems (KLN-90B GPS, I-21 INS and the unique НВ-ПБ system). And there are some features to discover you have not seen in FS before There are no night textures for the visual model included yet, also the Copilot panel bitmap will come later. The release version will have several refinements and enhancements. Just as one example, a very authentic new soundset is already in development. At this stage there's just a rough documentation included. Experienced Tu-154 users should have no problems with it, but new users might have something to "bite". The release version will have a detailed english manual. Enjoy!

The prototype version of the IL-62 from "project Tupolev" is to be released VERY soon. The new forum had been just inaugurated here: http://www.protu-154.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=23 As this is a prototype, you'll see that various bits are still missing (for the time being its much easier to start) but the pilots and navigation systems (especially the latter) promise to be very challenging so, stay tuned....

HI, could someone post a short (or long if they have the patience) review of the plane? Perhaps draw some comparisons with the 767 and the 744. I'm nore interested in: FDE, panel/systems, 2D panel quality. The external model can be a black box as far as I'm concerned (no pun intended) Thanx